Curse

Sekkira · Mar 06, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Why would you use a helmet for +1 to Strength besides looks? Farming perhaps? Even still, a helmet for a +1 attribute to your weapon goes down so much better than a +1% to armour penetration. This rings clearly true when you apply superiors into the mix. (why Superior strength O_o):

60 AL (Maximum Damage)

29.12 = AM @ 13
33.78 = damage @ 16 Strength

32.2 = AM @ 16
36.39 = damage @ 13 Strength

100AL (Mid Damage to a High Level Target)

14.56 = AM @ 13
16.89 = damage @ 16 Strength

16.1 = AM @ 16
18.19 = damage @ 13 Strength

121AL (Minimum Damage to a High Level Target with Maximum Armour and Damage reduction)

10.12 = AM @ 13
3.12 = above with damage reduction
11.74 = damage @ 16 Strength
4.74 = above with damage reduction

11.19 = AM @ 16
4.19 = above with damage reduction
12.64 = damage @ 13 Strength
5.64 = above with damage reduction

Of course this is done with the baseline damage of an axe with no +15/20% (while x) mods or +20% customisation either.

Vanquisher · Mar 06, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Strength is a trash Primary Attribute. Anyone taking a Strength Helm over a Weapon Mastery/Shortened Hex Duration Helm is, quite simply, an idiot.

crimsonfilms · Mar 06, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Warriors should be buffing strength only in consideration of skills being equiped and not the damage bonus it gives.

Sprint, Rush, Bull's Strike, Bull's Charge, Endure Pain, Berserker Stance and etc are all good skills that depends on Strength.

Nevertheless, helmets should be used for Weapon Mastery. A simple minor rune should suffice for most warrior build when using Strength and/or Tactics.

Jetdoc · Mar 06, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Looks. Elemental chicks love cool hats.

thor hammerbane · Mar 06, 2006, 10:10 PM // 22:10

I'm a warrior, and i use hammer/strength. I use a 15k dragons helm which gives +1 strength. I've had both sets of attriutes(15 hammer, 14 strength and 16 hammer, 13 strength) and i actually prefer the 15 hammer and 14 strength. The 1 mastery does not give you huge dmg...its 2 dmg difference in the skills. I rather have my strength higher because it makes my stances last longer/give a better effect.

Oh, and the only +1 weapon attribute helmets are droknors one's, and my warrior has to be blingin'. I hope they release a line of 15k gladiator/dwarven/deulist/executioner's helmets, not those buckets from droknors forge.

Guardian of the Light · Mar 06, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Well if you like switching what weapon you use its better to get a strength helm.

Haggard · Mar 06, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

or simply have multiple hats.. and i even have multiple shoes.
At any rate, as i prefer tactics to strength any day, i use the 15k asc helm, for 14 tacs 13 AM, which i find pretty handy as all the things that are 10 secs at 13 go upto 11, at the cost of +2 on my axe skills, though thrill of victory becomes a +38 so i dont mind

Rukmedes · Mar 06, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

You run 13 AM? Wow, do you actually do any damage? The more the mastery not only increases your hit damage without skills, but also raises the damage on your skills aswell. Also the more the mastery the higher percent you get to critical (Yes you can critical in GW).

Running a strength or tactics helm means you obviously have no idea what the game mechanics are. I always have 16 axe/sword/hammer mastery, (15 with LT helm ofc) and if my build has Healing signet (Which everybuild should) I do 8+1 tactics and 8+1 strength.

And for the record, SUNDERING SUCKS ASS.

Ilya Khan · Mar 06, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I go with the gladiator's helm. Not only do you get the same armor, but you get a +1 to tactics as well as +1 energy. And considering the myriad of helpful skills under the Tactics skill set, it is easily the best helm to use. Use this if you have tactics skills (and you should have quite a few!)

frojack · Mar 07, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

There is more than 1 way to play a warrior you know. Tactics is a very respectable line. Also btw, if you look at the various guides even here at GWG, you'll notice how badly extra damage drops off per level after 12 within your weapon mastery anyway.
There's no need to insult other people because of your own ignorance.

Rukmedes · Mar 07, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

No, Tactics is trash (Except for Heal signet of course). Get your guild over rank 1000 and then come back.

Sekkira · Mar 07, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by frojack

Talk about tunnel vision. There is more than 1 way to play a warrior you know. Tactics is a very respectable line. Also btw, if you look at the various guides even here at GWG, you'll notice how badly extra damage drops off per level after 12 within your weapon mastery anyway.
There's no need to insult other people because of your own ignorance.

It's still a greater improvement than strength. Lets also ignore that weapon mastery skills do quite a significant amount of damage the higher they are.

Nevin · Mar 07, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

A runner would use a strength or tactics helm over a Mastery helm.. I use a strength helm for my tank build...

Str0b0 · Mar 07, 2006, 01:36 AM // 01:36

I use a strength helm because I rely not on combinations of skills for damage dealing but on combinations of skills that raise health up to the point where, with good armor, you can take the damage being dealt. I think it is all about play style and frankly speaking I find the comment about anyone not taking a hex duration or weapon mastery helm being an idiot a little closed minded. You're closing yourself off to the possibilities inherent in the game. I mean if you want to just look up builds on line and make cookie cutter characters right down to equip that's fine. That's your style , but those of us who like to experiment may have found other ways to utilize skills that other people regard as trash and utilize them to good effect.

derrtyboy69 · Mar 07, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rukmedes

No, Tactics is trash (Except for Heal signet of course). Get your guild over rank 1000 and then come back.

Are you some punk in a rank 750 guild that thinks theyre the shit? I remember talking to some old MTRX members, a quote from one "Strength is basicly the worst attribute in the game, so put four points in strength, and at elast 9 in tactics" One of my friends from a little ol guild i was once in, FoSa, was tellin me the same thing.

Rukmedes · Mar 07, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

Are you some punk in a rank 750 guild that thinks theyre the shit? I remember talking to some old MTRX members, a quote from one "Strength is basicly the worst attribute in the game, so put four points in strength, and at elast 9 in tactics" One of my friends from a little ol guild i was once in, FoSa, was tellin me the same thing.

I run 16 mastery 9 STR (For a speed buff, STR is trash for the damage boost) and 9 tactics for Healing signet. Charge is also a good tactics skill that I totally forgot about, but you can run Charge with Heal sig stats.

The Real Roy Keane · Mar 07, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Manic Smile · Mar 07, 2006, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanquisher

Strength is a trash Primary Attribute. Anyone taking a Strength Helm over a Weapon Mastery/Shortened Hex Duration Helm is, quite simply, an idiot.

/foot-in-mouth

dolyak sig +16 strength

+1 Tactics/ +1 Strength for stance or tank builds

or for running now that the HoD helm has been nerfed...not really sure which is better now

+1 Specific weapon for PvP/dmg builds

Rukmedes · Mar 07, 2006, 02:53 AM // 02:53

Me and vanquisher ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PVE.

Bleidd · Mar 07, 2006, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Game Mechanics

1. Obviously there's a gain from 12 to 16 attribute. Its also of questionable value depending on your build.

2. There's more than one way to play a Warrior outside melee DPS.

3. I'm sure without a doubt your (stereo)typical Glad Armour + Weapon Helm DPS Warrior still at times loses to a Plate Armour + Plate Helm (Str +1) almost-DPS Warrior. Which only illustrates stats =/= skill.

4. A little civility goes a long way. oO This sort of debate will go on for as long as the game is open, just as Fort Pommel vs Def Pommel, Sunder Hilt vs (any other) Hilt, et cetera ad nauseum.